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A post in another topic on this tribe inspired me to start this thread: What are people's favorite public transportation ways to get out of town? Any good stories about this?
I recently went to Guerneville on the bus. I took a Greyhound to Santa Rosa and then a local bus to Guerneville, and got dropped off right in the middle of town. Any good California (or anywhere) trips where it's possible to get there without a car?
Recently I've been wanting to take a trip to a beach town (I mean the wave-crashing, sandy, ocean type of beach) , but I can't figure out where to go since Santa Cruz has some bad connotations for me and the only bus to Stinson Beach seems seasonal, and plus it would take something like 4 hours and 3 buses even if it was running. Any ideas?
I recently went to Guerneville on the bus. I took a Greyhound to Santa Rosa and then a local bus to Guerneville, and got dropped off right in the middle of town. Any good California (or anywhere) trips where it's possible to get there without a car?
Recently I've been wanting to take a trip to a beach town (I mean the wave-crashing, sandy, ocean type of beach) , but I can't figure out where to go since Santa Cruz has some bad connotations for me and the only bus to Stinson Beach seems seasonal, and plus it would take something like 4 hours and 3 buses even if it was running. Any ideas?
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Re: taking public transit to far-flung places?
Tue, January 24, 2006 - 5:13 PMWell, here in Florida the Greyhound bus goes to almost every city on either coast. The problem, however, is that Greyhound buslines is notorious for serious travel problems, from dirty and poorly maintained buses to serious scheduling issues. Last Thanksgiving, I opted to take Greyhound to visit my brother and his family, who live in Melbourne, Florida in a smaller subdivision called Palm Bay, just south of Melbourne. The entire ride, by car, takes roughly 2.5 hours and is a total of 166 miles. The bus with four stops: Ft. Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Fort Pierce, and Sabastian should have taken only 4 hours. Due to horrible traffic, bad scheduling, and inept bus drivers, the trip, on my return home, ended up being 14 hours long! I'm not kidding you. I left Melbourne at 9:50a.m. on Sunday, and did not make it home until a few minutes after midnight on Monday morning, and I had to be at work at 7a.m. It was gruesome. This is why I believe high-speed trains are the best way to shuttle people between distances too far to travel by road, yet too close to travel by plane.
For years now, there has been a sort of back-and-forth policy fight between pro-transit and anti-transit legislators for a high-speed rail system. The plan was to build a high speed rail system, similar to Western Europe's TGV, that would connect Miami, Orlando and Tampa in phase one of the project and most other metropolitan areas in Florida in subsequent phases. Of course, the Florida legislature and the governorship are filled with Conservatives (note: with a capital "C") who are completely affront to anything too European in nature. Lol. So, though most Floridians voted "yes" on that initiative, Gov. Jeb Bush struck it down on the grounds that it would have been cost-prohibitive. I suppose spending billions on highways is more profitable for his cronies' contracts and such.
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Tue, January 24, 2006 - 8:30 PMHere in California, the Gubinator has proposed x-millions of dollars for public transit but 2x-millions for new and wider highways.
It seems to me that it should be the other way around. If you make more places for cars you just get more cars and never catch up. What if, instead of adding a lane each way to interstate 5 (CA's main north-south highway), they converted a lane each way to high speed rail for both passengers and freight? Would some people leave their cars at home and opt for a fast comfortable ride to L.A. in a club car or would they still rather crawl along in one lane?
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Wed, January 25, 2006 - 1:30 PMI was planning a train trip across the country for this spring, and I wanted to go from Miami to New Orleans. I guess train tracks may have been damaged in Katrina, because even though there's a route from jacksonville to N.O. on Amtrak's website, the only way they'll let me get between these cities is by going up to DC and back down to N.O.
Then I figured out I can't afford it right now anyway, so its a moot point. But it seems odd to me that in a supposedly advanced (and wealthy) culture like ours it's so hard to get anywhere without a car.
I mean I know the car manufacturers and oil companies are probably behind it to some degree, but it makes no logical sense.
Any ideas for how to get to the some ocean resort town? I'm in the SF bay area. I guess I could go to Santa Barbara or just bite the bullet and go to Santa Cruz. I'd rather go to Stinson or Pt. Reyes.
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Wed, January 25, 2006 - 3:20 PMYou're right about the car companies being responsible. They bought up all the railroads and pretty much shut them down when cars were first coming into fashion. That's what I've heard anyway.
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Re: taking public transit to far-flung places?
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 3:52 PMThat is why I try to keep up with information from organizations like Transportation for America. There are enviomental groups also who post blogs about Public Trasnportation and sometimes post petitions to send to Legislators. Write to President Obama about any constuctive ideas you may have. He is supportive of Amtrak. Last if we the people speak out about public transportation and support it whenever we can we could speak louder than we can imagine. Not many SUVs are being sold due to the economy so the big three are listening to the profits.
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Wed, January 25, 2006 - 2:55 PMYou are too funny, Jb.
I tell you, the United States is headed in the wrong direction and has been for a long time. There are rumors going around that a barrel of crude oil could reach as high as into the 90's (Yes, I mean dollars) by the end of this year or early next year.
It is clear that our economy that is so heavily reliant on cheap crude will not be able to sustain itself. We can't keep going in this direction.
I'll be graduating this spring, and I'm concerned that I won't be able to partake in job interviews using public/mass transit or my bike. I might have to end up renting a car long-term. Yuck! Until I find another job that's stable where I can go back to using transit after I'm hired, if that happens. I hate to have to do that, but I have not been on a job interview in a while, and if I'm anticipating back-to-back interviews, I need to be able to get from one place to another in limited time.
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Sat, December 29, 2007 - 6:12 AMI see it as hypocritical the U.S. can subsidise airports and highways. But when it comes to something cheaper like mass transit, Amtrak and bicycle/ pedestrian friendly communities the government cannot afford it. Fortunately my area has added a couple of departure times on the bus route so I can ride it to work. I have people saying that I will give up my freedom BUT I am free from gas pumps and the "hemmoroids" of traffic jams. I can finally laugh at crap happens instead of helping to create it. I may still have to drive to a few places but not as much as I used to. I'll still keep on plucking away at a better mass transit system!! -
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Tue, January 1, 2008 - 7:46 AMMike:
That is smart. One of my New Year's resolutions is to use public transport more and my car less. Frankly, by mid-year, I would like to get to the point where I only use my motor vehicle on the weekends and when I head out-of-town even on those week nights that I work late. I'm excited about that. -
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Re: taking public transit to far-flung places?
Wed, January 2, 2008 - 2:02 AMI live without a car.
I confess that there are times I take and airplane, but since 1999, I've been using my bicycle for local commutes and the Greyhound bus for cross country travel. Even though the Greyhound appears to have made changes to "upgrade" the service, it was not upgraded. From 1999 until 2003, Greyhound went to many remote places. In about 56 hours time, I could travel from my local Palm Springs greyhound bus depot to a remote rural Midwest location for about $99.00.
Now the days of rural to rural public transportation via Greyhound is over. Most rural bus stops have been eliminated. Instead of being able to get a bus in Palm Springs, I must first figure out how to get a ride to either Indio or San Bernadino to get a bus. Although sometimes a ticket from SanBernadino to Chicago may cost $99, (2001 prices), I still need to organize a commute to fetch the bus and to get to my final destination: another $100.
Somehow, I still manage to be carfree. There appear to be less possibilities for options to get to far-flung places without a car, so my travel feels somewhat limited.
Now, if I lived in Costa Rica or in Peru, I have a sense that I could travel to some remote areas via public transportation. But the U.S? ja...right!!! -
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 8:10 AMKameshawri,
You are absolutely right. A friend of mine who uses inter-city transport to visit his friends and family in a suburb of Orlando complains about disappearing Greyhound bus depots. He said that he now has to take the bus to Downtown Orlando and then catch a cab to his friend's house, where as before, all he had to do was literally walk from the suburban bus depot to the friend's house. It would normally take him about 7 minutes on cool days and about double that on warmer days, and that's with luggage.
I also agree with you regarding bus depots in developing nations. I am from Jamaica, and I can get to almost any remote area by bus even though it is such a hilly country. With a little bit more infrastructural development, Jamaica's national buslines would probably be one of the best and most extensive in the region. It is my understanding that Mexico has an awesome rural to rural bus line system, as well. So, you're definitely on-point there. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:28 PMI had lived in Bermuda for a couple of years and their bus system was excellent and only needed to ride a 80cc scooter when I went to work either late or early. They do have strict laws about car ownership and safety. For example, if I sold my car there without government permission, I would be prohibited from buying another car for 1 year. Mostly they do not want a clutter of cars in general, especially with ugly paint jobs on the island. There as hard as it is to believe I have seen more scooters doing damage to cars in dollar value than the opposite.
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Sun, November 1, 2009 - 4:39 PMI agree about rural to rural Greyhound service being over and would like to add Trailways with that. I can appreciate that Greyhound has started adding amenities like wifi service. I wish that I knew enough about bus service management to have a game plan to make cross country bus service nationally supported like Amtrak. In a town that formerly lived in I used to take Greyhound wich later switched to Trailways from that rural town to Amtrak in Harrisburg, Pa. Greyhound/Trailways has stopped service to that town. Their excuses are that it is the illegal drug dealers, this town told us to get outta here. Our agents don't make a profit, etc.
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 9:24 PMPublic transportation is great for reading/working.
The bus route 17 that goes from Santa Cruz to San Jose is now equipped with WiFi, now I'm not that thrilled at the same time because of health issues BUT you know....
When I do take the bus I actually like it cause I can take time to read and so on, sometimes i read more when I commute this way then in a regular week at home, sure I am going to read a book but taking the bus makes me read other things.
Back when I was in Paris my commute would vary and it was always good to catch up on some reading, though in the morning rush hours you can't even open a book, so crowded...lucky me, after 11 years there I was commuting by bus, a 15 mn trip, with a nice view of the Eiffel tower area all the way to the Arc de Triumph...
But I am a bit off topic here...
As far as longer distances...well, we need a fast train here god dammit!
In France it has changed the way we live, sure it's not perfect, they had to build on some fields, move people and so on but the big picture is you cake go from a distance similar to SF to LA for what? 2 1/2 h? maybe 3 1/2...
Much better than flying since you arrive in the heart of the city.
My trip from Paris to Amsterdam was awesome, fast and convenient.
I have no experience in going around the state here yet.
I hope to take the greyhound and visit some friends in Santa Barbara and the greater LA someday.
S.
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Wed, January 25, 2006 - 9:25 PM
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:14 PMFortunately we currently have a President and Vice President who are advocates of Amtrak and high speed rail. I understand that Vice President Biden often used Amtrak to travel between Washington and his home state. They do have a uphill battke to fight but hope they can pull most , if not all of their priorities on this. Also during their campaign they acquired a few passenger rail cars and used them to campaign from. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:56 PMWhenever I travel between Harrisburg, Pa and Philadelphia I will go on Amtrak only. Driving on that section of I-95 and the Schuykill (a.k.a. SureKill) Expressway is worse than a nightmare.
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 10:41 AMdah train, dah train.
I love traveling by train. Amtrak and Caltrain have bike racks. Not sure what happens with bikes on Amtrak if there is a bus connection involved. So maybe you could get close to your destination by train and ride your bike the remainder of the distance. -
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Wed, January 9, 2008 - 4:50 PMHee hee. The last time I took Amtrak it was 3 hours late arriving, and 6 hours late at my destination. Nothing like getting in to Miami at 2 am!
Here's a recent article on high speed rail in CA:
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 9:26 PMI highly suspect Amtrack to "sabotage" itself...
No reliable schedules makes it hard for people so they don't see the point and prefer communitng by car...
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 9:45 AMmy favorite transit experience is from seattle to bellingham, wa via commuter buses. 510 sound transit to everett, 90X skagit transit to mt vernon, 80X skagit to bellingham. travel time is only about half hour longer than the amtrak trip. since all of a sudden, more people want to ride the buses, the skagit buses can be ridiculously crowded, however. hopefully they'll be adding more service soon!
